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    January 10, 2013
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1960's and 1980's on. new york city was a mess and then all of a sudden it started dropping in the 1990's. people had theories for that, the broken win did hes theory where if you fix the broken window, things get better. even a small thing leads to finding out about bigger levels of crime. crime also went down in l.a. and washington that didn't do that. i thought we're missing something. turns out what we were missing was lead. that seems incredibly strange doesn't it? it did to me in the beginning.
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when you find out more, you gibb to understand why. look at this presentation. >> leaded gasoline was used to improve performance. new research at case western reserve university finds gas introduced a whole new level of lead poisoning in children. >> there was a peak in the 1960's and 1970's. leaded paint for the latter part of the 20th century was not the major source of lead poisoning in children in cleveland, leaded gasoline was. >> the researchers analyzed lead levels in children who grew up in high traffic areas. >> children who grew up in such neighborhoods had a higher correlation with the lead and gasoline than children with less traffic. >> lead poisoning has been associated with behavioral problems later in life, some studies suggesting it may lead to criminal and anti social
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behavior. >> this graph shows you the period of 1937 to 1986. 1960-2009, it seems to match up extraordinarily well. that's 20 years later. by the time the kids exposed to lead grow up, that's when they would be committing the violent crimes. it's an interesting correlation. is there a causation? let's bring in kevin drum. kevin, thank you so much for joining us, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on, cenk. >> let's talk about why it might be lead. what is it in lead that could cause violent crime? >> it turns out we've known for a long time that exposure to
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lead reduces i.q.s in small children. over the last decade, there's been research showing lead does more than that. it turns out that in small children when they're exposed to lead, it affects areas of the brain that are related to impulse control related to aggression, emotional regulation, things like that. it turns out that it's permanent damage to your brain. even if you're exposed to lead from your first five years and then it stops your brain development is permanently affected. by the time you grow up and become a teenager, when you get into your 20's, you are more aggressive, more violent than you would be otherwise due to the affect of lead on the development of the brain. >> cenk: you know, let me say something controversial here that is not in your article. as i was reading the whole thick, i thought those people are still around, the people that had the permanent mental damage, they're just older, kind of older voters that vote republican. >> i don't know if they're
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voting at all. most of them are in prison. you know, what happened was these are all kids, this all happened after world war ii. we all went on a car buying binge, filled up the gas and the exhaust peaches poisoned children. the kids grew up and started committing more crime. we took lead out of gasoline starting in 1975, and if you go, you know, 15-20 years ahead wait for those kids to grow one they commit less crime. so from about 1991 forward there's been a very steep drop in crime. now, all those kids who were exposed to lead and became criminals in the 1970's and 1980's, we locked them up. we built a ton of prisons doubled prison capacity, then doubled it again. most of those kids are in
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prison. here's what's interesting. right now today the arrest rates for teenagers 18, 19, 20-year-olds is down, but the arrest rates for older people, 35 40, 45-year-olds is up. that's because those are the same people who were lead poisoned as kids, put in prison, now being let out but they're still violent still criminals. they are going out committing crimes again and being put back in prison. >> cenk: that's really, really scary. if i went into your article, i was a little skeptical, i was really lead? you showed how it affects the brain. people at home are wondering there muscles be other possibilities where crime went up and then down. how many of those did you look at and did the others match up in correlation with the time periods we're talking about here? >> there's a lot of different causes of crime. lead is not the only thing that causes people to commit crime
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obviously. you can get rid of all lead on the planet and you'd still ever crime. what you want to explain is not why there isn't any crime at all, but why there is this sudden huge spike in crime in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's and decline starting in the 1990's. if you blame crime on poverty you'd need to look at it and say did poverty spike up in the 1970's and 1980's and go down in the 1990's? no, it didn't. did we get a lot of broken families and suddenly we didn't have them in the 1990's? no, that didn't happen, either. you look at demographics, you look at drugs poverty family structure, things like that. what you don't see is all of these things suddenly getting worse in the 1970's and 1980's and then getting better in the
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1990's antoughts. the only thing that really fits is lead, which did get worse and then did get better, because we took all the lead out of the gasoline. lead was permanently banned in gasoline in 1995. we are for first time in decades, right now we're seeing the first generation of to grow up almost completely lead-free. not totally but largely lead-free, because we banned lead in paint and gasoline. >> cenk: i want to talk about that. that's interesting and not getting enough coverage. who made that decision? was it the e.p.a., and what kind of a difference do you think it made in our society in america let alone the how many cost, but also in economic cost. >> i mean, the cost has been huge. the cost, the human cost, of course is huge. you have millions and millions of kids who were, you know, sort of artificially turned into
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monsters. the economic coster is enormous, the cost of crime is huge, the cost of locking um criminals is huge. you've got how many cost, huge economic cost, as well. >> cenk: what if we hasn't taken the lead out that that continued, instead of going down, we almost semi permanently lived in that state and we might not have done that if for example we didn't have the e.p.a. >> that's exactly right. what happened was partly sort of accidental and partly deliberate. in the early 1970's, we were fighting smog, right and the way to fight smog, we ended up deciding was to put catalytic converters on cars where you have to run unleaded gasoline. we were forced to take the lead out to fight smog. beyond that, there was research at the time showing the link between lead and loss of i.q. in children. the e.p.a. was quite active, even after that in getting lead out of gasoline faster, so there were rules in 1975, there were
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new rules in 1985 that reduced lead even further and then finally in 1995, lead was completely banned. there's been no lead in gasoline at all since 1995 in america. >> when republicans tell you we don't need regulation, don't believe the lie man remember the lead. >> removing the lead in gasoline probably has the highest cost ratio of probably any public policy we've gone through in the last 50 years. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. >> cenk: when we come back, president obama's new pick for secretary treasury. do i like it? well we've got a guest on who's an expert on it. good pick or bad pick, we'll discuss when we come back. >> all the talk about deficit reduction, making sure the books are balanced, this is the guy
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who did it, three times.
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>> i never noticed jack's signature, and when this was highlighted yesterday in the press, i considered rescinding my offer to appoint him. jack assures me that he is going to work to make at least one letter legible in order not to debase our currency should he be confirmed as secretary of the treasury. thank you very much, everybody. >> cenk: that was really funny and i liked that part of the press conference. unfortunately, i don't like jack lew's record. he used to work for citi group. guess what happened after the bailout? he got a $950,000 bonus.
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there is some issues. the bigger substancive issues, what is his view on bank reregulation that has caused so much problems. yesterday, president obama was very clear on deregulation. watch. >> 21 times just this year, john mccain has said we need to deregulate the financial industry right at a time when we know that it's because of deregulation that wall street was able to engage in the kind of irresponsible actions that have caused this financial crisis. >> cenk: very clear, but when jack lew was asked during his original confirmation for manager and budget, here's what he said about deregulation. >> my sense is as someone who has generally been familiar with these trends is that the problems in the financial industry preceded deregulation, but don't believe that deregulation was the proximate
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cause. >> cenk: that is preposterous. only a million% wrong. how could anybody think that deregulation didn't have to do with the destruction of the banks back in 2008? well if you got paid a million dollars a year to think that, you might think the same thing. i'm not the only one bothered by it. william black was a senior regulator when they bothered to regulate after the debacle. tell me the problem with jack lew. >> so much problems, so few time. the first thing is a lock of integrity. it isn't even so much that he worked for wall street. it's that he was in charge of o.m.d. for president clinton and was one of the important
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architects of financial deregulation. that's why he's not willing to admit that because his fingerprints are all over what caused the crisis. >> cenk: so that's interesting. >> if you don't ever integrity you don't get anything. >> cenk: he's part of the guys who deregulate the banks. he goes to the banks gets paid millions of dollars at those banks that deregulation causes those banks to crash. becoming the director of the office of management and budget, then chief of staff now secretary treasury. it's almost as if they reward failure in washington. >> it's not almost. i said this about geithner, that he was selected precisely because he had a track record of consistent failure and louis a worthy successor. on every important financial issue, he has been as wrong as it is possible to be wrong he's caused devastating harm to the
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american people and the economy. he's grown wealthy from it. he's completely dishonest intellectually about his role in causing the problem and he's going to be in charge of implementing the many thousands potentially of the rules under dodd frank and he's of course incredibly hostile to effective rule making. he is a disaster, but, you know, in a competition with geithner, they look very similar. >> cenk: yeah, it's hard to believe that you can't improve a little bit on geithner. look we've got the situation with the republicans, you know, they'll make a show of objecting, oh, he was tough during the budget negotiations, but they love a guy who is going to let the banks run amok, the democrats appoint him. he also i also proud about getting the surplus under
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clinton. that's a record to be proud of, if you ask me, but it seems they are teeing that up for now, we have to do austerity today and cut the budget. do you think that's a good idea? >> no, that's really the single worst thing. i have a column i did about that, as wellle, about how obama's o.m.b. sounds almost exactly like the tea party in terms of its rhetoric. they want us to do what europe has done. look at what austerity has done to europe. it has thrown the entire euro zone back into depression, unemployment in italy, spain and greece. youth unemployment in spain and greece is over 55%. the battle joke, i'm partially irish is back in ireland what
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is ireland's leading export? the irish. as soon as you get your university degree, you leave. >> cenk: tough times ahead. i wish we had some real regulators in washington, one of the old regulators who did his job, william black. thank you. >> that you can cenk. >> cenk: when we come back, a football player who's head was a mess. there's an amazing story about that and theism pact on his family. >> there is a big risk. >> there is huge risk. >> it's not worth it for me to not have a dad, so to me, it's not worth it. now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say
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anything. what the hell were they thinking?
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>> cenk: junior seau was one of the best defensive players to play football. he hit hard, that's what he was known for. apparently, that damaged his brain significantly. he committed suicide at the age of 43. his family donated his brain to the national institutes of health and their findings were amazing. at-bats has a report about that. >> we have learned his brain showed visible signs of c.t.e., chronic traumatic enreceive lop thee the concussion related injury that shrunk and hardens brain tissue and is at the center of today's football controversy. >> they did no the know they were looking at his brain. they looked at it and said this
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is clearly what's going on in this brain. his ex-wife and son had a very good relationship with him. they were devastated. >> i love you. >> that was the last words we heard. >> they understand it's attraction and all too well, it's routine danger. >> i think it's a gamble, just be extremely aware of what can happen to your life. >> it's a big risk. >> it's a huge risk. >> it's not worth it for me to not have a dad. to me, it's not worth it. >> cenk: that's tough to hear every single time. e.s.p.n. explains the science of concussion a little more. >> big blows like this one can be the equivalent of taking a sledgehammer to the head. it's not just pro football. studies show high school football and even pee wee league
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football players are exposing themselves to the dangers of head trauma. >> he is not alone in committing suicide. recently andre waters, known as dan day dirty waters killed himself, duerson with the bears and ray easter ling. >> game over, politics are turning the sports world upside down. great to talk to you. talk to me about these concussions. that what can it is nfl do about it? >> very little. they find them receivers in a similar position as the tobacco industry, you're never going to make a cigarette safe. similarly, you'll never make the sport of playing football safe, whether you're talking about the pee wee league, high school, pop
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warner or the nfl. the case of junior, it puts an exclamation point on now what are several years of new medical data we now know about the cost of playing football. >> now i look at that and i begin to think i don't know that i want my son playing football. i know college is already too dangerous, nfl college, way too dangerous. what do you think would you stop your son from playing pee wee or high school football? >> it's an interesting question. my father-in-law was drafted by the dallas cowboys and always had dreams that my son now four years old would play football. two years ago, it was a real debate. my wife has drawn the line in the last year and said no way no how. my wife is not alone actually. over the last year, 1 million less kids are playing pop warner football than the year before. that represents an 8% drop. the data shows that that's
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attributable to the new data people have about head injuries at such a young age. i asked nfl players this question all the time. i always ask them do you want your own son playing football. i'll tell you something. some say yes some say no, but they all think about it. they all pause and really think about it. more often than not they say i guess i'm playing football so my kids don't have to. >> cenk: wow that's really interesting. dave, i love football, i love watching football. my guess is you love watching football, so are we also culpable? what are we supposed to do about it? >> i think you have to look at professional football like any unsafe industry in the united states and we should want nfl players to have the best possible health care, the best possible protections that they could possibly have. i mean, just because the sport is unsafe doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and say i guess it's just unsafe at any speed.
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there are ways it can be made more safe. after the findings came out about junior having c.t.e., the national football players association put out a very aggressive statement even calling on u.s. congressional intervention to make sure there were independent doctors on the sidelines at nfl games independent concussion evaluators on the sidelines for nfl games and much more independent oversight of how the nfl handles all medical issues, not just concussions, but all of them. i can tell you as someone who lives in washington where we're going through r.g.3 gate right now about the injury with his knee buckling on that incredibly unsafe turf, that is something fans are very willing to hear. >> teddy roosevelt intervened in college football and said i'm going to stop the sport unless he make it safer. they made it safer and far more entertaining, a much better sport. the government can have a positive effect in this case.
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dave, thank you so much for joining us, i really appreciate it. >> my privilege cenk. >> john fugelsang is up next on viewpoint. >> new york city thousands of men walk around without needing to carry an automatic weapon. the n.r.a. met with vice president biden and presented their 12-point plan for doing absolutely nothing to stop gun violence. we'll talk to richard feldman, a gun lobbyist with the independent fair arms owners association. he was in that meeting and will join us for a chat. we'll have bill mccibben, and talk about climate change and i'll break down the difference between ted nugent and rosa parks.
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